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Re: swiss-list: Double Taxation Switzerland and USA / Social Security

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Re: swiss-list: Double Taxation Switzerland and USA / Social Security

From: <click for textversion of email address >
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:44:31 -0000
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Dear Laurent

my information is from a very nice and helpful Swiss BSV/OFAS (bundesamt fuer
versicherungen) official. I had a long and detailed conversation at the time
with this person.

See, the way it works for the US citizens, it also works for CH citizen, this
is the idea of such agreements. I have no documentation or reference for
you, but I am pretty sure that it works the way I have described.

If somebody has the time to actually find the documents or get a confirmation
from the BSV and put it into the archives, that would be great. However, I
am almost 100% sure that your contributions in the SS will be counted towards
your AVS/AHV, but documentation is always better.

Regards

Ralf

Laurent Jay <ljay_at_math.uiowa.edu> said:

> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Ralf Kubli wrote:
>
> > -there is an agreement for the recognition of your ss payments if you
> > ever return to CH. there should be plenty of information in the
> > archive of the swiss list on this. in short: you pay ss in the US,
> > for at least 18months, you return to CH and they recognize the years
> > that you have contributed SS at 50% in CH.
>
> Dear Ralf,
>
> I checked the swiss-list archives and the agreement
> http://www.ssa.gov/international/Agreement_Pamphlets/switzrld.html
> but I could not find anything supporting that Switzerland would
> recognize the years that you have contributed SS at 50% in CH.
> Where did you read or hear that statement? Could you point
> to a precise statement in a document? That would be very much
> appreciated.
>
> In http://www.swiss-list.com/mailing/swiss-list/2002/0371.shtml
> I read:
> ... the Swiss System does NOT look at our American
> credits when computing our AHV/AVS pension.
> Actually, on the AHV/AVS side, the agreement only
> seems to benefit Americans who have worked in the US
> and then go to work in Switzerland, but it does not do
> anything for people like me who have worked in
> Switzerland and then move to the US.
>
> My conclusion is that the years we contribute to Social Security
> in the US will not be recognized by Switzerland at all, or only
> at a 0% ;-) not 50%. If anybody thinks I am mistaken please let
> also all the swiss-list know.
>
> -- Laurent
>

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