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I have moved to the USA 2 years ago and have requested from the AVS
information relative to my obligation to pay AVS in Switzerland and how
it works when you pay SS in the USA. Here is the answer I got:
You can pay AVS in Switzerland, this is not an obligation.
You have to pay SS 10 years in the USA if you want to be able to
receive SS at retirement, even if you are not living in the USA at
retirement age. This SS is paid by the US SS.
At retirement, a swiss citizen will touch the AVS pro-rata the number
of years of payments. (if you missed 10 years in payment, you will lose
25% of the retirement monthly amount.
If you don't start paying AVS while in the USA, after 1 year of living
in the US, you can't pay AVS. Only when you will go back to
On Apr 14, 2004, at 1:44 PM, <postmaster_at_kubli.us> wrote:
> Dear Laurent
> my information is from a very nice and helpful Swiss BSV/OFAS
> (bundesamt fuer
> versicherungen) official. I had a long and detailed conversation at
> the time
> with this person.
> See, the way it works for the US citizens, it also works for CH
> citizen, this
> is the idea of such agreements. I have no documentation or reference
> you, but I am pretty sure that it works the way I have described.
> If somebody has the time to actually find the documents or get a
> from the BSV and put it into the archives, that would be great.
> However, I
> am almost 100% sure that your contributions in the SS will be counted
> your AVS/AHV, but documentation is always better.
> Laurent Jay <ljay_at_math.uiowa.edu> said:
>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Ralf Kubli wrote:
>>> -there is an agreement for the recognition of your ss payments if you
>>> ever return to CH. there should be plenty of information in the
>>> archive of the swiss list on this. in short: you pay ss in the US,
>>> for at least 18months, you return to CH and they recognize the years
>>> that you have contributed SS at 50% in CH.
>> Dear Ralf,
>> I checked the swiss-list archives and the agreement
>> but I could not find anything supporting that Switzerland would
>> recognize the years that you have contributed SS at 50% in CH.
>> Where did you read or hear that statement? Could you point
>> to a precise statement in a document? That would be very much
>> In http://www.swiss-list.com/mailing/swiss-list/2002/0371.shtml
>> I read:
>> ... the Swiss System does NOT look at our American
>> credits when computing our AHV/AVS pension.
>> Actually, on the AHV/AVS side, the agreement only
>> seems to benefit Americans who have worked in the US
>> and then go to work in Switzerland, but it does not do
>> anything for people like me who have worked in
>> Switzerland and then move to the US.
>> My conclusion is that the years we contribute to Social Security
>> in the US will not be recognized by Switzerland at all, or only
>> at a 0% not 50%. If anybody thinks I am mistaken please let
>> also all the swiss-list know.
>> -- Laurent
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